Thursday, February 4, 2010

Why do so many Christians overlook the fact that the bible is a blatant false representation of the universe?

The universe is far older than 6000 years, mankind did not originate from a Caucasian couple, snakes and donkey’s do not talk and when a person dies, they do not come back to life, to name but a fraction a the bibles falsities. A book, a doctrine, a way of life, a dominator of human consciousness, a dominator of freakin humanity itself, is a false representation! Sorry, I’m just very passionate about this. It’s not possible to not be aware of this, so why do they still insist that it is the inspired word of God? Why would God inspire a false representation of reality?Why do so many Christians overlook the fact that the bible is a blatant false representation of the universe?
The people that believe all of the stuff you listed also believe that science and higher education is a satanic conspiracy to lead people away from god... They are delusional.Why do so many Christians overlook the fact that the bible is a blatant false representation of the universe?
I disagree and the reason I disagree is because you are making several statements that are blatantly false or you are simply misinformed about the contents of the Bible.





Only those people who use the generational numbers in the Bible state that the universe is only 6000 or so years old..... Could it be perhaps that Adam and Eve were the first homo-sapians that God chose to have a relationship with?...perhaps it was not until they came along that man had the intelligence to even have a relationship with God and even then, Adam and Eve would have had to be almost dumber than a rock as far as scientific knowledge.





Also, nowhere in the Bible does it state that Adam and Eve were caucasian. Some of ';mans'; paintings have interpreted the Bible in this way...but without justification from the Bible itself. (You will note that the paintings of Jesus show him as being a fair skinned, fair haired individual. We know that people born native to the middle east do not fall into that catagory, yet there it is in all it colored glory)





Third, a snake does not talk...but Satan (being an angel) is capable of changing his appearance to anything he chooses...so why not a snake or a serpent?





And unless you have died or you have known someone that has died and returned to earth, how can you possible expect us to believe the statement that people do not come back to life.....simply because you say so? People who have been clinically dead often tell a different story. They speak of a different place...a place of light etc. Yes I am aware that many believe that the brain is simply reacting to a lack of oxygen, but some of the reportings can not be explained in that way...and medical science admittedly states that they do not understand some of the things that have happened.





Keep in mind that even though it is believed by many that the Bible is the inspired word of God, man actually wrote the words...and man has done the interpretation based on man's limited knowledge.





Let me give you another possible scenario:





Let's look at the creation story from a different perspective should we?





Take the first verse of Genesis...';In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth and the earth was void and without form, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.';





What if that verse alone was the concept that God gave to early man? Wouldn't it make sense that he would keep his explanation simple? After all, if you were Albert Einstein attempting to explain the theory of relativity to an infant, wouldn't you simplify it for them?





Doesn't that brief explanation come extremely close to what science says? Even before there was light, the earth was forming..yet it was still formless. Formless means not to be solid..i.e. gaseous or a cloud of dust or whatever. Void means no life...no nothing. The deep is man's word for the oceans or for deep water...and it says that the spirit of God houvered over the water. If I am not mistaken, I think science agrees that before man or animals came into being that the earth was at some point gaseous, then solid, then completely covered with water....with no land masses showing.





As to the six day time frame, why would God use time to describe what he did? He does not require it as to him time means nothing. So why did he use the concept of a day when he spoke of what was created? Again, simply because man could not possibly have understood the concept of millions or billions of years...In those days, numbers had not even been invented yet so the concept of such a great passing of time would have been impossible for man to comprehend. So man had to have a reference point that he already knew...thus, a day...a morning and an evening...light and darkness etc. That is the only concept that could have been understood by early homosapiens.





Then, the expanse above the water and below the water were seperated. Above the water came our atmosphere...below was the land.





Then God brought forth the land masses. (So far, I think science agrees with this)





The Bible clearly states that the first living creatures lived in the sea and the air.





I believe science tells us that biological life began in the seas does it not? And, in time, birds came next as I recall...etc.





It is only man's interpretation of the concepts put forth by God that caused believers and non-believers to be at each other's throats over the creation issue.





Religious people believe that to agree that perhaps billions of years passed rather than six days during which the various changes occured is ';against their beliefs'; because of the literal translation put on the words. They often feel that it puts limitations on God's power to accept that it may have taken billions of years from beginning to end....but I disagree.





I have a personal relationship with God and therefore know that he exists...and I also know that if he had chosen to create everything in a nano-second he could have done so. But, why would it matter to Him how long it took. A million years would be like a single grain of sand on an endless beach...totally insignificant.





Your last question is why would God inspire a false representation of reality? The answer...because it was the only way that man could understand.





This same explanation could be used to explain some of the other stories or events in those early writings. God did not inpire the word to please Himself...or to entertain himself. He inspired it so man might somehow grasp who he was...the creator of all things...including them.





I am not saying that my interpretation is the correct one...but I just wanted to show you how easy it would be to interpret the Bible differently. So don't be so tough on us okay?
Answer my question then, why do non believers think that all Christians believe that the Bible is word for word accurate, the truth in the Bible is not the stories of Noah, of Adam and Eve, they are just that stories with the message of salvation and of God's mercy in them. A story that ends with Christs resurrection and His promise to return to take us, those who love and serve Him (God) and love each other as He has loved us, enough to die for you and I. That is the truth in the Bible. That is what is believed by the majority of Christians and theologians. It is sad to me that people like yourself think they have all the answers when in reality no one does. Only the creator and those existed before out time.


God keep you always
Because ';scholars'; have been able to come up with excuses for every fallacy. I am actually amazed at how well they do it. Well... you know what they say, ';practice makes perfect!';
Some do, but I haven't. Thanks and good luck with your passion.
I don't know why do they tell the children that Santa Claus comes down through the chimney ?
The Bible is not concerned with science, but with the LORD JEsus Christ and how we can attain salvation through him! This world is passing, while the world to come is forever! God bless you!
';The universe is far older than 6000 years';


And you can prove this how? It may well be since the Bible does not give a date for the age of the universe. But, through the use of the genealogies in the Scriptures, a date of around 6000 years has been given for the age of the earth. Of course the alternate view is based on faulty human reasoning based on a geological column which was put forth by Charles Lyell, which was never observed nor tested, and led to faulty dating


methods that fail and give false readings. Of course, you also have the circular reasoning of dating fossils with rocks and rocks with fossils.





';mankind did not originate from a Caucasian couple';


The Bible never claims this. Most likely, since the garden of Eden was probably in the area near or around Iraq, they were probably what we know as Middle Eastern.





';snakes and donkey’s do not talk';


Have you encountered every snake and every donkey that ever existed? Then you can not make this statement. You may not believe it, but you cannot say that it never happened.





';when a person dies, they do not come back to life,';


Again, unless you have encountered every human who ever existed since creation, you cannot make this definite statement. It is your belief only.





The Bible is the word of God and does not contain ';falsities'; as you put it. You may not believe in supernatural occurrences, but that is your belief, or lack of it. Simply because you don't believe in something, does not mean it is not valid or true. You are not the arbitar of what is truth, and what is not. Plus, you don't present very challenging arguments either.
The first six books of the bible are an incoherent jumbling of different tellings of the same story.
Because some people truly believe. They are just as passionate about their belief as you are about your disbelief.
How should God get your attention ? Think about for a couple of minutes !!!
Number one...





The burden of proof is on you to show that the universe is far older than 6000 years old.





Second...





The Bible never says that mankind originated from a Caucasian couple...





Thirdly...there is a lot of historical backing to prove the Bible is true. If you choose to ignore it, that's fine...it wouldn't surprise me. If not, feel free to message me, I'd love to show you it...
Because they believe and have faith in the Bible.....and that's enough for them.
Its hard for people to come to terms with the truth.
You ask a question stating your belief as a fact. It's not fact. Your beliefs are built on supposition. No scientist will say it's fact. And that is why many do not believe as you do. Inspired written word comes when God told the men to write it. It was witnessed and then it was written about. Nothing or no one has been able find error with God yet. All the science and technology we see and this old book called the Bible still stands above all of them. No one has ever gone astray following the teachings of Christ. There is not another whose teachings even come close. None.
Where does the Bible say the earth is 6000 years old? Sorry I just can't find that in the bible.
Ok, Christians don't overlook these things. they accept what the bible tells them, it's different.





1. no one knows how old the earth is. Some Christians say 6000 because they use the bible's numbers, add them and that's where they get the number... Other Christians say more, some probably don't really care. (b/c it's not THAT important)





2. I don't know why you think Adam and Eve where white. just because loads of white painters paint them white... In my best educated conclusion they were like mocha in color. (doesn't' matter though, because all races come after the flood).





3. That snake wasn't a snake, it was satin in the form of a snake (serpent) I imagine it to be quite enormous, like a boa or python. (not that it matters) and Balaam's Donkey didn't talk all the time... just when it was avoiding an angel of God ~read numbers 22.





4. Jesus died and rose from the dead. He also rose others from the dead... so did a few of his disciples.





Why do you think you have the true sense of reality? Who told you how old the universe was? Who told you where people came from? Why do you believe them?
get your facts straight sister... christian believe the earth is million of years old ..stop talking out the side of your neck .....I'm sorry for you cause someone has twisted your mind up...dinosaur roam the earth (in the first earth age ) we now are in the second earth age which dates back 6to 7 thousand years the third and final earth age is coming with your belief you will not have a part in it .....
And you were there for all of those events so you would know for an absolute fact what is or isnt true in the bible right? Lets clear a few things up first...





Man did NOT originate from a caucasion couple, we wouldnt have all the races we do if they were both white. The snake didnt actually talk, the Devil was playing it for a puppet for the sake of deceiving Eve without making himself known to her, obviously, because snakes don't talk and the only person to benefit from such a fraud is the Devil.





If a doctor in an emergency room can make someone who's flatlined come back to life, I'm thinking the Son of God the creator might have a shot at doing so.





As far as the creation of the universe, it doesnt say the universe is only 6000 years old. In Genesis it says that in the beginning, the earth was a formless waste and that the universe was an expanse. It doesnt say how long it was in that condition for. What it does actually say in Genesis:





1 In [the] beginning God created the heavens and the earth.





2 Now the earth proved to be formless and waste and there was darkness upon the surface of [the] watery deep; and God’s active force was moving to and fro over the surface of the waters.





3 And God proceeded to say: “Let light come to be.” Then there came to be light. 4 After that God saw that the light was good, and God brought about a division between the light and the darkness. 5 And God began calling the light Day, but the darkness he called Night. And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, a first day.





The first day of creation didnt start until AFTER the earth and universe had been created for who knows HOW long.





You should get your biblical facts straight first before spouting off about a book youve obviously never really studied or read. Stop basing the bible on Christians and try it the other way around.
You have your beliefs; we have ours. Simple.
i recommend you read the Quran, it will help you understand where the Bible comes from and wat its meant to say...maybe then you wont have cause to dislike it so much
The Bible does not say that the universe is only 6000 years old. God does perform miracles. I've experienced many myself.





We live in a democracy which is based on the myth of the social contract. We give up some of our personal freedoms in exchange for protection of our rights. In such an environment, as Karen Armstrong says in ';A Short History of Myth';, mythology began when homo sapiens became homo necans, man the killer. In 2 Timothy 4:3-5, myth is shown as being taught by ';many teachers'; to those who have itchy ears. The teachers are ';gathered around'; or ';heaped up'; (a word derived from a word that means ';burial urn';). In this environment, the information that gets through to a nonChristian is of such a variety as to excuse sin and even turn it into a propensity for international murder/war.





The media and entertainment industry along with false Christians, of which there are many, works to suppress each occasion of a genuine miracle. I've seen it myself. I've been killed at least twice already.
because not everyone agrees with you and each has their right to their own opinion and choice of afterlife :)
Why would God inspire a false representation of reality? Because he can.
I guess the part that would go against fact, they'd say is meant to be understood as a spiritual metaphor.
They can't handle the truth. Rock on.

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